I just did the following interview for Hi India weekly of Chicago and New York. A version of it was also done for Gaon Connection, India’s rural newspaper. This is part one of the two-part interview.
Dr. Bhaswati Bhattacharya (Photo Jay Mandal/On Assignment)
By Mayank Chhaya
As a leading practitioner of holistic family medicine in Manhattan, Dr. Bhaswati Bhattacharya necessarily takes a comprehensive view of life. “Holistic health is about acknowledging the interplay of mind, body, senses, and spirit in the healing process, as well as the disease-making process,” she says.
As she now prepares to embark on a Fulbright Program-sponsored journey of India to “explore the concept of Ojas, roughly correlated with current understandings of immunity”, Dr. Bhattacharya says she is looking forward to sitting at the feet of “ancient village masters.”
A passionate proponent of holistic science, who has straddled several academic worlds, Dr. Bhattacharya says she is hoping to return from a nearly year-long journey of India with much greater understanding of Ayurveda.
Her diverse academic qualifications are a testament to Dr. Bhattacharya’s abiding interest in expanding her knowledge base. She has a baccalaureate (BA) in the Biological Basis of Behavior from the University of Pennsylvania, a master’s degree in pharmacology and neuroscience (MA) from Columbia University with 6 years of graduate work in biotechnology, biomedical sciences and laboratory work toward a PhD, a master’s degree in international public health (MPH) from Harvard University and a medical doctorate (MD) from Rush Medical College in Chicago. Her residency trainings in family practice at Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital and in community & preventive medicine at Mount Sinai have increased her skills to work fluently with the underserved. In addition, she has several certifications in holistic healing arts, according to her official backgrounder.
Dr. Bhattacharya spoke to Hi India in an extensive interview. Here is part 1 of a two-part interview.
HI: Reading your profile on your website, it strikes me that you lead a remarkably diverse life. Is it by design or default?
BB: Actually, my lifework is very much focused on the medical and health arena. However, running a holistic practice and gaining a fuller understanding of Ayurveda require diverse skills to allow me to get things done faster: writing, management, accounting, communications and as well as understanding different medical systems and how to implement Good Medicine in this broken medical system. But I think all smart people who went to good schools and are not lazy must have these skills.
The rest is probably part of being a Bengali, from a family where we were naturally expected to be familiar with reading, history, cultural arts, the sciences, travel, communication, practical arts, and a sense of the world around us. If you look at the Chausath Kalas of the vedas (the 64 kalaas that Krishna knew), we were trained in many of those just as part of being a learned person. So, it was my environment’s design and my default.
The only thing I know I chose consciously by design, to have diversity around me, was to live in Manhattan.
HI: How has your background as someone who has been involved in so many things informed your profession as a holistic health specialist?
BB: Holistic health is about acknowledging the interplay of mind, body, senses, and spirit in the healing process, as well as the disease-making process. It requires a perceptive and simultaneous extreme focus and overview to see the picture of the patient and find the cause of disease from what the patient does and does not say. I think my travels, my explorations, the traumas and failures in my own life give me the Tejas to be able to see the things that need to be seen in order to heal.
HI: Tell me about the mandate of your Fulbright scholarship. Is there any possibility that your work would help fill the empirical and scientific data gap?
BB: My research topic from my proposal is to explore the concept of Ojas, roughly correlated with current understandings of immunity. The logic of authentic Ayurveda will be demonstrated, observing clinical efficacy and translating into scientific terms required for physicians. Interviews with elders, discussions with scholars, and clinical research protocols will be published alongside proposals for educational curricula, inviting interdisciplinary collaboration between American researchers and India-based Ayurveda scholars. I will be required to stay in India. I am not sure yet what the parameters are; they are pretty secretive. Past Fulbright Scholars tell me I just need to focus on my own work and everyone will be happy.
HI: Despite its ancient vintage, in the Western eye Ayurveda still lacks the weight of serious medical science. Are we anywhere close to transforming that perspective?
BB: First, Ayurveda only lacks the weight of serious medical science in the eyes of those who have not used it through guidance from an authentic Ayurvedic practitioner. Don’t forget that Ayurveda is a $600 million industry just in India, according to 2010 figures of ASSOCHAM (The Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India).
I think Indians have such a long history of being exploited and pillaged of their wealth from the British, and the Moguls, and the Persians, and the Greeks, that the smart ones just quietly keep their treasures for themselves now. No need to evangelize and be looted for it.
As I get closer and deeper into the ocean of Ayurveda, I am beginning to transform into the way of thinking of the ancient vintage: maybe not everyone deserves to heal from Ayurveda: it takes strength to see one’s own role in producing disease. It takes strength to see one’s own soul, and to find one’s purpose for being on the earth, one’s dharma. Those who do not want to see, may do better to stay blind, and leave the resources for those who do want to see. My teacher says, “Only when you take 10 steps toward Ayurveda, then only will Ayurveda take 20 steps toward you.”
Ayurveda is a science of practice-based evidence, meaning real practitioners and clinicians who saw real patients and observed real clinical outcomes, real healing. Modern medicine is a science of evidence-based medicine: first they design the study, then they exclude all the patients that would interrupt their theory, then they blind the researcher and the patient , then they randomly give a treatment to one vs. another person enrolled in the study. The study stops when they some statistician who has probably never practiced medicine decides they should. What happens in real life after the study is over is left out.
That is not good science, but it is the way the institution of science is evolving. It is the way the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has allowed medical science to progress. Scientists’ opinions are suppressed, bought and sold, and they sign contracts, so that they can’t even tell you their real opinion. When truth is no longer the microscope through which data are seen, there is farce in claiming what is evidence. Real evidence comes from watching, actually witnessing, incurable diseases being cured using authentic Ayurveda.
We can have a conversation about what modern medicine calls evidence. Why is it that young researchers now blindly accept rat models as substitutes for humans? Why don’t they examine the “normal” values of what they are told, such as respiratory rates and stool contents? How do they accept these normal values, when their clinical experience shows them other data? The problem actually is that in modern medicine, scientists don’t see patients, clinicians practice reimbursement-based medicine not true clinical medicine, doctors fight with nurses, and the systems are run by administrators who never really care about patients as much as they do about their salaries. And, all the CEOs and Presidents hire dilettante MDs with MBAs. Only people with real clinical skills who are keenly able to observe real patients, and keep themselves healthy, should be deciding what “serious medical science” is.
That said, I am excited to go to the ancient vintage masters, to sit at the feet of the elders in the small villages and the forests that remain. I am learning the methodical techniques and more skills on how to diagnose and treat diseases based on clues that the body and the patient’s environment give us. That is real. It is predictable and fills all the criteria of real science: there are accurate prognosis, reproducibility and reliable, non-toxic treatments in Ayurveda. As I learn over the coming years, I hope the thread connecting me to the land of modern medicine will pull me out of the sea periodically, and will still call me back to the medical world from time to time, to ensure that I don’t lose my critical, skeptical, scientist’s scalpel to observe and dissect the data of Ayurveda and put it at the arrogant feet of modern medicine. Only with the voice of both worlds will the modern medical world wake up to other possibilities of healing.
By the way, the clinical data for Ayurveda are out there, but modern medicine is unwilling to see them and cannot read them because they don’t know the language of energy-based medicine.
HI: To what extent do you think our inability to give it the empirical edge that the medical establishment in West looks for has prevented Ayurveda from gaining wider traction?
BB: If you mean empirical, which is based on observation, experiment, and practical medical experience, then the medical establishment violates many of its own rules. Modern medicine can hardly cure most of the diseases its own medicines create!
The greatest inability right now that has prevented Ayurveda from gaining wider traction is of Ayurvedic physicians to be able to explain their art of diagnosis and treatment clearly, in accurate translated of concepts captured in Sanskrit and impotent in English, and also in a style of communication that is not deafening. For example, I have yet to meet a very articulate and audience-appropriate teacher of Ayurveda, who can explain the physiology of the digestive process in authentic Ayurvedic terms. When that happens, modern medicine will have to listen. (End of Part 1)